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's incredible. host: thanks for the call. another early voter. guest: michelle obama was in the state last week in cincinnati on the first-ever early voting with 6800 supporters. she said i want you all to follow the staff across the street to the hamilton county board of elections office and vote now. this is critical for both sides to try to get as many of these votes as possible. on senate bill 5, 61% of ohioans, that means republicans and independents -- excuse me, democrats and independents voted to repeal senate bill 5. 68% of ohioans voted to repeal obamacare. independents are critical. they judged things as best they can. if they want to send a message, they will. but in the same election cycle they are sending a message to president obama and federal health care while also telling john kasich, the republican, but he went too far on collective bargaining. guest: bush won in 2004. obama won with 52% at. no strategist will tell you this will be anything more than 51% or 52%, so ohioans did not believe that recent poll. host: what was wrong? guest: when you poll before independence in ohio
, it will be seen as the first step for the obama team to get its footing back. in the world we live in now, where everything is analyzed instantaneously, even before it happens, i think it is a meaningful event next week. >> it is important until the next presidential debate and then it becomes fairly irrelevant. >> it is important until it is over. >> they should have a disclaimer -- this debate is for entertainment purposes only. >> chicago is saying, thank god we have biden to pick us up after last night. [laughter] >> if first impressions are the most important and if the average american really tuned in for the first time, would that suggest that the next two presidential debates are less important? what is your opinion on how much the second and third presidential debates can matter? >> i think they are still very significant. it seems like ancient history now, but reagan's first debate against mondale did not go well and he turned it around in the second debate. what everybody wanted to happen, in terms of the voters, they wanted to reelect reagan because things were going well. they breat
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